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^{25.12.2015. u 17:37 - pre 113 meseci}

Wordpress... malopre se rešim da instaliram WP na localhost, v4.4 da vidim kako deluje, itd. Ja ne radim u WP ništa, pa rek'o konačno da vidim kako je organizovan famozni i opšreprihvaćeni blogging enžin. Strah me je uhvatio.

Zašto?

Evo zašto :

Code:

array (
  0 => '/var/www/wptest/index.php',
  1 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-blog-header.php',
  2 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-load.php',
  3 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-config.php',
  4 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-settings.php',
  5 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/load.php',
  6 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/default-constants.php',
  7 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/version.php',
  8 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/compat.php',
  9 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/random_compat/random.php',
  10 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/random_compat/byte_safe_strings.php',
  11 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/random_compat/cast_to_int.php',
  12 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/random_compat/error_polyfill.php',
  13 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/random_compat/random_bytes_dev_urandom.php',
  14 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/random_compat/random_int.php',
  15 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/functions.php',
  16 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/option.php',
  17 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp.php',
  18 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-error.php',
  19 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/plugin.php',
  20 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/pomo/mo.php',
  21 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/pomo/translations.php',
  22 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/pomo/entry.php',
  23 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/pomo/streams.php',
  24 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/wp-db.php',
  25 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/cache.php',
  26 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/default-filters.php',
  27 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/l10n.php',
  28 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-walker.php',
  29 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-ajax-response.php',
  30 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/formatting.php',
  31 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/capabilities.php',
  32 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-roles.php',
  33 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-role.php',
  34 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-user.php',
  35 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/query.php',
  36 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/date.php',
  37 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/theme.php',
  38 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-theme.php',
  39 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/template.php',
  40 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/user.php',
  41 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-user-query.php',
  42 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/session.php',
  43 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/meta.php',
  44 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-meta-query.php',
  45 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/general-template.php',
  46 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/link-template.php',
  47 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/author-template.php',
  48 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/post.php',
  49 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-walker-page.php',
  50 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-walker-page-dropdown.php',
  51 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-post.php',
  52 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/post-template.php',
  53 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/revision.php',
  54 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/post-formats.php',
  55 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/post-thumbnail-template.php',
  56 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/category.php',
  57 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-walker-category.php',
  58 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-walker-category-dropdown.php',
  59 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/category-template.php',
  60 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/comment.php',
  61 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-comment.php',
  62 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-comment-query.php',
  63 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-walker-comment.php',
  64 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/comment-template.php',
  65 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/rewrite.php',
  66 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-rewrite.php',
  67 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/feed.php',
  68 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/bookmark.php',
  69 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/bookmark-template.php',
  70 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/kses.php',
  71 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/cron.php',
  72 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/deprecated.php',
  73 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/script-loader.php',
  74 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class.wp-dependencies.php',
  75 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class.wp-scripts.php',
  76 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/functions.wp-scripts.php',
  77 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class.wp-styles.php',
  78 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/functions.wp-styles.php',
  79 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/taxonomy.php',
  80 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-term.php',
  81 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-tax-query.php',
  82 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/update.php',
  83 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/canonical.php',
  84 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/shortcodes.php',
  85 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/embed.php',
  86 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-embed.php',
  87 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-oembed-controller.php',
  88 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/media.php',
  89 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/http.php',
  90 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-http.php',
  91 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-http-streams.php',
  92 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-http-curl.php',
  93 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-http-proxy.php',
  94 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-http-cookie.php',
  95 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-http-encoding.php',
  96 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-http-response.php',
  97 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets.php',
  98 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-widget.php',
  99 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/class-wp-widget-factory.php',
  100 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/nav-menu.php',
  101 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/nav-menu-template.php',
  102 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/admin-bar.php',
  103 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/rest-api.php',
  104 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php',
  105 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-response.php',
  106 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-request.php',
  107 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/vars.php',
  108 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/pluggable.php',
  109 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/pluggable-deprecated.php',
  110 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/default-widgets.php',
  111 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-pages.php',
  112 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-links.php',
  113 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-search.php',
  114 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-archives.php',
  115 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-meta.php',
  116 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-calendar.php',
  117 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-text.php',
  118 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-categories.php',
  119 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-recent-posts.php',
  120 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-recent-comments.php',
  121 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-rss.php',
  122 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-widget-tag-cloud.php',
  123 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/widgets/class-wp-nav-menu-widget.php',
  124 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-includes/locale.php',
  125 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-content/themes/twentyfifteen/functions.php',
  126 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-content/themes/twentyfifteen/inc/custom-header.php',
  127 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-content/themes/twentyfifteen/inc/template-tags.php',
  128 => '/var/www/wptest/wp-content/themes/twentyfifteen/inc/customizer.php',
)

Znate li šta je ovo iznad?

Broj include/require fajlova prilkom svakog requesta ...
Alo! ...

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Meni moje iskustvo govori da je ovo sve samo ne dobro.

MNOGO.

PREVIŠE.

IDIOTSKI MNOGO.

.. includovanih fajlova.

Interesuje me mišljenje ostalih non-wp developera.

Tek sad neću nikada da koristim wp, pa makar samo takve tražili na *freenalce mrežama.

A ako nekoga interesuje gde da dobije ovakav rezultat:

fajl -> wp-blog-header.php

Neka izgleda ovako pa refhresh.

Code (php):

<?php

/**

 * Loads the WordPress environment and template.

 *

 * @package WordPress

 */

if ( !isset($wp_did_header) ) {

     $wp_did_header = true;

     ob_start();

     require_once( dirname(__FILE__) . '/wp-load.php' );

     wp();

     header('Content-type:text/plain; charset=utf-8');

     var_export(get_included_files());

     exit;

     require_once( ABSPATH . WPINC . '/template-loader.php' );

}

.. znači, nakon wp();

.. nznm, verovatno neki ljudi već imaju dobru praksu kako bi smanjili ovu listu, možda je to zbog teme, itd.. ali, ja sam još uvek pod utiskom.. i ostaću takav do kraja.
Kako li se manifestuje ovo na mašinama gde nema opcode keširanja da mi je znati.. :S

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Re: WP absolute insanity

^{26.12.2015. u 13:31 - pre 113 meseci}

@Nemke_BG

Citat:

Broj include-ova je totalno nevazan jer prakticno ne utice nikako na perfomanse.

Ne bih se složio. Ne utiće nikako? require_once.. ?

Citat:

Wordpress je lagan CMS, koji se lako upotrebljava i lako nadogradjuje i ekstenduje i to je prouzrokovalo da je postao vrlo popularan, pa samim tim je dobio i novu dimenziju kroz ogromnu kolicinu
online dokumentacije, primera, Q&A, tema, plugin-ova. Tako je ok da se koristi, imas cak i brdo ogromnih enterprise sajtova koji ga koriste kao osnovu.

Falcon je još laganiji i brži, ali - framework.

Ako je toliko lagan (prevashodno namenjen blogerima, novinarima, itd..) zašto onda neki plaćaju od 300 dolara pa naviše, samo da bi se - ubrzalo malo? Pogledaj šta se sve traži na upwork-u. A te enterprise kompanije ili sajtovi, imaju svoje - php/wp-developere - koji su plaćeni samo da ga održavaju. To je `tek ništa` od dodatnog angažovanja za novinare, pismene i non-techie rečite ljude i osobe koje znaju i žele da lepo iznesu svoje mišljenje, a nemaju takve php/wp-developere pri ruci u komšiluku i nisu samostalna enterprise šetajuća kompanija. :) Jesam možda ja malo previše pesimističan, to mogu da prihvatim, ali, sa tolikim brojem sss fajlova, pod, pazi - TEK INSTALIRANIM - sistemom za blogovanje i pravljenje sajtova,... to meni govori da postoji praktično 128 mesta gde postoji način da se u5ere nešto.

WP 4.4 === Commodore 128.
c64 je bio zakon.

Ja nisam senior PHP developer. Ja sam mid kategorija. Možda nisam čak ni MID kako treba, ali sam daleko, daleko, daaaaleko od newbie php developera i smatram da je WP sa tehničke strane - bloat/krš.
Ne totalni kao što to Adobe Reader, npr. ali nema šanse da zavolim wp. Ikada. Ako se nastavi sa ovakvom praksom.

Sa druge strane, ovo je odlično. Easy money za nekoga. Repeat: procedure (speed up wp site, remove module, bla, bla.. ) test ok -> charge. Happy.
Ona druga strana, skinula breme sa psihe, ali ima manjak u džepu. Zašto? Jel' zbog svoje lične produktivnosti ili nečeg drugog? Ko je sad tu `kriv`? wp-theme/module kreator ili fioSofija samog wp-a ili možda neki tamo tekst po netu gde piše da je instaliranje tema/modula/SEo-deda-mrazova i čega sve ne - [karikiranje]breeeezeee!!! ... and You should do it![/karikiranje]

Nije da ja imam problem ako potrošim svoje znanje i naplatim nekome, pa opravdano iz tuđeg džepa u moj. Jok.
Ali, ako klijent treba da plati `opravku`, neka to bude da je klijent zaslužio to svojom glupošću ili neznanjem, a ne zato što je sistem koji koristi sam po sebi takav da će kad-tad morati da plati za nešto što definitivno nema veze sa samim klijentom koji nije techie, jer, i ne treba da bude, ako je verovati wp marketingu za neupućene u web dizajn/razvoj/kodiranje, jel' da?

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